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PostSubject: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:32 pm

FFXI Devs regarding the next update:

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Now, how about Red Mages?

Gondai: Red Mages were built upon a concept of being flexible and good with a sword, so we’re preparing to allow them to assume a more offensive role.

IT'S OONNNNNNNNN


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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:35 pm

oh hell . . . Now you'll be trying to leave your staves behind more frequently >.>
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:37 pm

Actually I might not have to!

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I think what users really hope for is more on-hand inventory. Something like, “Today I’m going White Mage, so I’ll take my WHM bag with me.”

Tanaka: It’s still early in the planning stages, but we think that’s the way we’ll have to do it. The inventory limit for users is at 70 now, so there’s still 10 spaces free. We still have room for improvement.

So, first you’ll expand to 80, and then you’ll experiment with replacement systems?

Tanaka: Yes, that’s right. We making preparations now to do so. I can’t even consider now what shape it will take in the end, however. I had thought more people would want to raise a second character. I didn’t think so many would have second, third, and more and more jobs all on the same character. The number of people with 10+ jobs is constantly growing, so we need to respond to that.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:41 pm

About fucking time.
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:45 pm

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I see. Are there any front-line jobs you’ll be expanding upon now?

Gondai: Well, with Dragoon we’re thinking of improving the damage output of their Weaponskills, specifically buffing their Mythic Weaponskill. After that, there are various minor tweaks we are tossing around. I can’t say what order this will all be done in, but we’re always looking at all jobs. We aren’t really looking to nerf anything.

Looks like bard might get put on hold so I can go back to dragoon.
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:51 pm

Because when I think of weak weaponskills that really need a buff, I think of Drakesbane.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:52 pm

Indeed! I'll need to get that weapon >.>
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:44 pm

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Because when I think of weak weaponskills that really need a buff, I think of Drakesbane.

Well at least SOME job might stay competitive with SAM now.
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:00 pm

Hey, there are plenty of shitty assed Domaruuuuuuuu sams running around. They can't all be awesome like mine.
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:14 pm

WAR/SAM isn't that far behind...and DRK/DRG aren't exactly poorly made jobs, it's just that you can do slightly more with shitty AH gear on SAM than the others. Once you start getting into situations where all jobs are geared to the tits the others make up a lot of ground.

More than anything there's a shitton of gimps and retards playing these jobs, it's hard to say what the job can even do when there's WARs dualwielding with a fucking offhanded Francisca and wearing Iron Ram legs or some shit.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:18 pm

all that blah blah blah and you left out the best part?!?!

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Regarding Summoners, you have made it clear that new Avatars do exist, but what exactly are you considering?

Gondai: If I say the name, I’ll get yelled at, but they are set to be implemented in the not too distant future.
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:27 pm

And the worst part...

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To put it bluntly, we hear a lot of recent MMOs are much easier. We couldn’t change the battle system of FFXI and remove it’s uniqueness, so we thought we could make leveling a faster, less painful process.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:01 pm

The only reason SAM is better than any other melee for endgame shit is because they have Meditate and can sub /THF. So essentially they are relatively hateless and can get free TP. Any other job besides (THF/SAM) can't pull that off so thats where I really see the disadvantage, but as that one Kirin Parse showed.... Smedile was number 1 DD w/ Hien, dragoon is far from gimp.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:08 pm

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all that blah blah blah and you left out the best part?!?!

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Regarding Summoners, you have made it clear that new Avatars do exist, but what exactly are you considering?

Gondai: If I say the name, I’ll get yelled at, but they are set to be implemented in the not too distant future.

SMN is made of butts and fail and you should feel terrible for liking it. Your new avatar will be a big floppy weiner whose 70BP will be eating all your Doritos and falling asleep on the couch.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:33 pm

sam/thf is for panty waisted jerks
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:15 pm

Callisto wrote:
Mote wrote:
all that blah blah blah and you left out the best part?!?!

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Regarding Summoners, you have made it clear that new Avatars do exist, but what exactly are you considering?

Gondai: If I say the name, I’ll get yelled at, but they are set to be implemented in the not too distant future.

SMN is made of butts and fail and you should feel terrible for liking it. Your new avatar will be a big floppy weiner whose 70BP will be eating all your Doritos and falling asleep on the couch.

Sadly I'd probably still unlock it
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:36 pm

Callisto wrote:
Mote wrote:
all that blah blah blah and you left out the best part?!?!

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Regarding Summoners, you have made it clear that new Avatars do exist, but what exactly are you considering?

Gondai: If I say the name, I’ll get yelled at, but they are set to be implemented in the not too distant future.

SMN is made of butts and fail and you should feel terrible for liking it. Your new avatar will be a big floppy weiner whose 70BP will be eating all your Doritos and falling asleep on the couch.

Calli just has an irrational hatred of pet jobs resulting from numerous dirt eatings as the result of Astral Flows and some weird tentacle porn thing that happened when JoJ charmed him.
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:43 pm

Tempyst wrote:
sam/thf is for panty waisted jerks

My experience tanking anything PLD/NIN is after around 6000 damage w/o TA any melee job is going to have capped Hate, and at that point it doesn't matter how good a tank you are the DD will always pull hate get face planted and sponge, SAM/THF help prolongs that by a lot. Its really only for big fights, anyone who uses /THF in a meripo or small scale event is just gimping themselves by limiting their tanking ability and their damage output.

Eh my problem w/ pet jobs is that not matter how good you make a Pet AI or Pet abilities, a strong BLM or Melee will usually be more effective in the long term barring hate issues that pet jobs avoid completely.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:44 am

btw, turns out that the Drakesbane thing was a mistranslation. Drakesbane WAS DRG's buff to WSs, not they intend to buff the WS Drakesbane.
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:00 am

Tanith wrote:

My experience tanking anything PLD/NIN is after around 6000 damage w/o TA any melee job is going to have capped Hate, and at that point it doesn't matter how good a tank you are the DD will always pull hate get face planted and sponge, SAM/THF help prolongs that by a lot. Its really only for big fights, anyone who uses /THF in a meripo or small scale event is just gimping themselves by limiting their tanking ability and their damage output.

I hear that, just usually the REALLY REALLY big stuff you're not going to see more than 300-400 WS anyway.

I think Tempyst and I are shy about /THF because if PM leadership had had its way we would have been subbing it to every event. Like to Fafnir. YEAH I CLAIM WITH BLADE BASH WHOOO

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:30 am

isladar wrote:
Tanith wrote:

My experience tanking anything PLD/NIN is after around 6000 damage w/o TA any melee job is going to have capped Hate, and at that point it doesn't matter how good a tank you are the DD will always pull hate get face planted and sponge, SAM/THF help prolongs that by a lot. Its really only for big fights, anyone who uses /THF in a meripo or small scale event is just gimping themselves by limiting their tanking ability and their damage output.

I hear that, just usually the REALLY REALLY big stuff you're not going to see more than 300-400 WS anyway.

I think Tempyst and I are shy about /THF because if PM leadership had had its way we would have been subbing it to every event. Like to Fafnir. YEAH I CLAIM WITH BLADE BASH WHOOO

See another reason why your old LS was the wrong linkshell! Who needs to have their SAM's claiming when you can bot! I don't know about that 300-400 vs other numbers, as the only "big fights" I've gone SAM to were limited to Sky gods / Kirin where my personal best was 1700~ w/ SATA, versus something like 400 at best w/ /WAR. I also hear that /THF makes a world of difference on JoL since you are essentially buffing your pdif (critical hit) it helps chop through that defense.


Personally if hate isn't an issue ideally all jobs could do more damage /WAR, its just I've never really seen any situation where a PLD/NIN or /WAR for that notion can keep hate vs an onslaught from DD's.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:51 am

If we're going for an onslaught then 'tanks' as such are pretty moot to begin with. For Gods /THF is a no-brainer, really. And honestly I've never been in the main alliance for JoL, always been on add control.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:55 am

What jobs were in the main alliance for JoL, just curious?

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:57 am

I, was the main alliance.

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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:15 pm

main alliance:
tank party: 2 pld/war with magic def gear, bard, rdm, whm
rest: magic DD, refreshers
post regen: 2 skillchainers

add alliance:
3 ninjas / people to claim and tank the summons
enough DDs and healers to kill them fast enough.

somethingsomething.

That's what we normally did. We used to use 3 plds, but our primary plds got good at not dying. I was the tank party bard on our first 15 JoLs, I think, and it's so boring :(
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PostSubject: Re: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NEEEEED TIEM WARPZ   Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:19 pm

Ah, most of the JoL strats I've read did it the reverse. 4 BLM + 2 Support on Adds, then 2 melee pts and a tank pt for JoL.

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